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i used to document my moody preteen life by writing diary entries. as i read through my past diaries, i incorporate philosophy about the pleasure in causing self-pain, the importance of meaning, and research about the effects of sad art.
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TIMESTAMPS:
0:00 intro
6:16 the search for meaning in suffering
15:35 sad art
20:17 are mentally ill people more creative & deep?
24:00 why do we enjoy sad music?
27:53 the morals of sad art
29:51 closing off my diaries
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SOURCES:
Arens, E. A., & Stangier, U. (2020). “Sad as a Matter of Evidence: The Desire for Self-Verification Motivates the Pursuit of Sadness in Clinical Depression.”
Dunn, E. (2017). “BLUE IS THE NEW BLACK: HOW POPULAR CULTURE IS ROMANTICIZING MENTAL ILLNESS.”
Frankl, Man’s Search for Meaning
Mina Le. “the tumblr girl is coming back.”
McCloskey, I. (2020). ““I Saw It In A Movie”: Film Representations of the Mentally Ill Community & its GIF Transmediation onto Tumblr.”
Nietzsche, Beyond Good and Evil
Nietzsche, On the Genealogy of Morality
Noetic Films. “Viktor Frankl: Why Meaning Matters.”
Philosophy Tube. “YouTube: Art or Reality? | Philosophy Tube.”
Vidamaly, S., & Lee, S. L. (2021). “Young Adults’ Mental Illness Aesthetics on Social Media.”
Vuoskoski, J. K., Thompson, W. F., McIlwain, D., & Eerola, T. (2012). “Who Enjoys Listening to Sad Music and Why?”
Waddell, C. (1998). “Creativity and Mental Illness: Is There a Link?”
Zembylas, M. (2008). “Trauma, justice and the politics of emotion: the violence of sentimentality in education, Discourse: Studies in the Cultural Politics of Education.” DOI: 10.1080/01596300701801278
MUSIC:
Abel Korzeniowski: “Table for Two”
Chopin: Prelude Op.28 No.7
Mozart: Sonata No. 12, K. 332, 2nd mov.
Ravel: Pavane pour une Infante defunte
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I personally have an oc that I make suffer instead of myself as a coping habit
i dont understand why people want to be sad as someone diagnosed with depression it isnt fun id like to be happy but quite frankly i dont see a future where i am actually content with my life
No offense but there’s so much nuance you’re missing here. You can’t just use the beliefs of Nietzsche that you consider the framework your predictive as if it’s the only possible valid perspective one could have on the issue(which given you don’t address alternatives, it kind of comes off that way.) I would not argue that humans are naturally cruel, infact anthropologic evidence suggests quite the opposite. Most cruelty is taught, some in older societies formed out of ignorance yes, but generally speaking cruelty is a learned behavior. Early humans on the other hand, really needed to have some sense of morality, or atleast empathy, in order to effectively work together(we see this in other primate species aswell) This is to say that his narrative that masochism exists only as a replacement for sadism is unfounded. While the origin of the words “good” and “bad” may have different connotations, a general concept of these things has existed since more or less the dawn of society, we can see in other languages similar concepts existing, and not necessarily related to a sense of superiority. Also a lot of older words discussing emotional concepts will have to do with divinity due to the prevalence and significance of religion in older societies(differing from its prevalence and significance today) I mean at one point basically everything had an assigned God for most cultures, that doesn’t mean those concepts cannot exist independently of initial religious connotation. Anyways, I believe the most misleading underlying claim here is about the concept of guilt. Having guilt doesn’t make you good, but if you’re good you will have guilt. You present this concept as if having guilt is akin to hurting yourself, and that makes you good. But the truth is that most people at some point in their lives will do something wrong, something hurtful, weather intentionally or not, and people with empathy will naturally have guilt for those past mistakes. A person who feels no guilt often doesn’t recognize or care about these past wrongdoings. That doesn’t mean it has to haunt you, but having some level of guilt is required in order to be good, guilt inspires growth and change, so it’s irrational to think that this is prioritized and romanticized in the same connotation that experiencing harm is. Negative feelings are a given in life, it’s very rare anyone goes through life without them, so this rhetorical question of “why should I have to feel harm to be good” misses the point, it’s not that you will deliberately harm yourself, or that there’s a god given reason, but it’s a given in life and negative emotions can sometimes be important and ironically even “good” for you to experience(you do mention that it can be good but you don’t go into detail about it). Experiencing some degree of sadness and anger and other negative emotions is not only healthy but not experiencing them in any capacity can be unhealthy, this is not to say being happy is unhealthy but being completely incapable of feeling sadness suggests something is wrong. And these emotions can also be beneficial for us. Take fear for example, having fear kept us alive for millions of years, being afraid of jumping off of tall places keeps us out of danger. And sadness, sadness allows us to experience a release, to get out our emotions and reflect. And it’s for these reasons(among some others but I don’t care to point out every little detail) that the perspectives in this video lack nuance, its treats negativity very one dimensionally, as if it always has to be bad, as if it being good in any capacity is romanticizing the bad. Additionally, let’s talk about thematic depth. The truth is that society has many great flaws, a great many people are systemically oppressed, dying, traumatized. Recognizing this, and discussing it, expressing feelings about it, understanding it, is a form of depth. The presence of of this overwhelming negativity is so extreme and it affects so many people that it is crucial to understand, and it is something that is a given for most. It’s not that these bad things are necessarily being romanticized when we associate art with negative experiences, it’s that these negative experiences are virtually a given, and so someone who does have depth will likely have something profound to say about it, because it’s impossible to ignore, some art that is negative. That’s why the happy go lucky pop music stuff is often shallow, it ignores reality. And mind you addressing or experiencing that doesn’t mean you have to be depressed or mentally ill. Additionally when we say that mental illness often makes people more creative we are not necessarily saying it’s something uniquely biological, so your explenation is actually in line with that claim(also, mental illness does have a pretty well understood consensus among professionals) Also there’s more nuance in why people like sad music, I feel the two theories framing is just wrong? Many mentally ill people listen to sad music as a form of coping, they don’t want to feel sad or desire sadness, they want to feel understood. Honestly I think framing mentally ill people are trying to self actualize their sadness as extremely problematic as someone who has dealt with and knows many with these conditions, there’s generally nothing fun about it, we usually try to do everything we can to get rid of it, there may be those that are exceptions but I can’t help but feel that study is pseudoscience. I would honestly argue that consuming sad art being good or bad is context dependent far beyond just two categories of mentally ill or not. To reiterate, I’m not saying that romanticizing sadness or mental illness isn’t real, but there is a great deal of nuance beyond why many of the things you’re describing occour beyond just romanticizing these things. To end with a quote from South Park, that I think demonstrates why sadness can be beautiful, “I love life…Yeah, I'm sad, but at the same time, I'm really happy that something could make me feel that sad. It's like…It makes me feel alive, you know. It makes me feel human. The only way I could feel this sad now is if I felt something really good before. So I have to take the bad with the good. So I guess what I'm feeling is like a beautiful sadness.”
called me out there
but im not changing
I might be wrong, I think I am the only person that thinks this. But, if you are actively trying to be depressed, glorifying it, romanticizing it, and writing about it, and thinking it is necessary, are you really depressed? I feel like if you actually had a mental disorder, you wouldn't want it. Yes, you might seek the content to self-verify, and to know your not alone, but I'm not sure about enjoying it. It could be addicting, but not fun. I feel like most people who are actually depressed would not be happy being depressed for most if not all of the day.
Ngl I just wanna stay the same. I got broken, so I’ll stay this way
34:30 Society is attracted to mystery as much as they are scared of it, I feel like that has a lot to do with this.
It's so sad that a lot of people(myself included) give up their happiness for something that should give them happiness, artistic expression. It's even more disturbing how young most people 'decide ' to give up their happiness. Depression is such an alluring state to most people because they are afraid that if they try to be happy, they will fail miserably. At least, this is what I have come to know of my self inflicted sadness.
after watching this i immediately went to notes to write
I don't understand why wanting to be sad it's terrible i have to daily remind myself to be happy because it feels better than being suicidal
i hate how people openly post online about their sh or eds, or publicly stating they are going to kts, we DONT need to know abt ur personal life and u DO NOT need to share everything to the world. talk to a trusted friend, not some strangers online
also i keep on seeing people posting abt their sh?? like its not cute and quirky and its NOT something to romanticize
Being young is the hardest time of your life. If you are a teen just wait it out. You really do change once you get around 25. When I was 16 I remember I was a totally different hateful and depressed person and I didn't wanted to be different. But life forces you to change and I am 32 now. You think you know yourself but you don't.
I remember hearing my friends talk about how they wanted traumatic or sad things to happen to them-like their parents divorcing, kinds of public emergencies, or natural disasters destroying the town-simply to “make their life interesting” and cure the boredom they had with their life. One time in particular we had a tornado warning at school, and we had to go out into the hall, where I heard so much excited chatter about how they hoped the tornado would actually come. Meanwhile I, someone who experienced the destruction of their hometown at a young age due to a natural disaster, was near sobbing and in agony thinking I’d have to go through it all again. People romanticize terrible scenarios so much they tend to forget that they will actually experience those scenarios and deal with the consequences, not just the “benefits” of being seen as more interesting, or having a less typical life.
I also have adhd and depression, which I see severely romanticized online and in real life. People think of depression as making you moody, edgy, and deep, and adhd as making you super bubbly, energetic, and quirky. And while people with these mental illnesses may have these traits, they are not necessarily caused by nor or are they good representation of the mental illness. It’s an ILLNESS, it causes hardship and pain. It’s not what makes you quirky or deep.
3:58 I guess no experience is unique lol
As someone who
Struggles with depression and anxiety I was big on the whole “I don’t wanna get better” there were certain characters in media such as basil from Omori that made that worse (one of the main reasons I shouldn’t have surrounded myself with the game). Anywho, ever since i listened to the song “I want things to be beautiful” it changed my perspective a bit. I WANT to get better I WANT to improve myself and I WANT to be happy. I wanna experience life, and help others. It’s true it’s gonna be hard sometimes but that doesn’t mean I can’t manage. you’re struggling then please understand that yes, people should be around to support you and it’s okay to not okay. But YOU yes you, have to make that change and get better. Love yourself. Also that song I mentioned is really baddass you should listen to it
If you have stayed in a dark room for too long your brain associates darkness with familiarity. And then even a little bit of light dazzles you. But this isn’t what is happening. We have been aestheticizing sadness to an unhealthy degree.
every person have a set of responsibilities for themselves. teenagers have just entered a new age where their resposibilities is heavier. and one of those everlasting responsibilities is to interpret things as they see fit. i’m just talking nonsense but i believe that each person should be responsible for their interpretations of art. anything related to art is pretty abstract so one person could interpret it differently than another and it will all be based on their experiences. they will paint those art in their own experience so that either they acknowledge it and let go, or keep it and hold on for too long. but then, what about those lacking with experience? what about teenagers who barely had any guidelines on how to think healthyly? they’ll gravitate to where most are because surely, some place where everyone goes is and will be a safe place? right?
that situation will then could branch off differently. one, if they actually gravitate towards a place that fosters healthy thinking or a place where sad music in this video got them to.
anyways this is just my take. i dont mean to babble nonsense and it probably cant deliver what i actually wanted to say bcuz english not my mother tongue or whatever. yup. i said too much. ok bye.
분명히 지금의 나에게 도움이 되는 영상은 아니였지만, 14년도의 텀블러를 아는 늙은이으로서 sad girl core가 도덕적으로 유해할수있다는 관점은 흥미롭습니다.
Everyone in their one point of life gets depressed, but 'faking' it ,like seeking attention that 'oh I am suffering' it's what called ATTENTION SEEKING. and that's what shipper tryna clarify, wth I don't see any prblm
three years ago, i got angry at this video because i thought it applied to me. now, ive made a lot of progress and realised im still struggling, but im trying my best to suffer less. and i was just in a situation where i wasnt in control.
this video genuinely altered my brain chemistry. omg. this is exactly how i feel and i always wondered if i wanted to feel this way because i was seeking attention, but it's like i was seeking attention from myself in a way? and this explained it so well. thank you